It was! So it’s…. There was another one, which was quite, quite unique – and this was a solo sighting. In the sense that this hunter that we spoke to, had gone to an area adjacent to the forest. But it was an area which was all scrub land. It was very, very swampy in the old days. It had been drained, but it was still all Tea-tree and Manuka, and things like that growing. And, he used to park his vehicle at the end of this farm-track, and go pig-hunting, and take his dog with him. So he got his rifle out, and dog, and had the dog on a lease to start with until he got into the bush. And there was a track that he followed to go into the deeper bush, looking for pigs. He said, as we went into the bush there were a couple of… oh what do you call those? Pampas grass bushes, on either side. Great big long leaves, you know? Dry leaves…. And he said, he noticed that on both sides – all the leaves, or a number of the leaves had been plaited into great big long strings. Beautiful little plaits. And he said cripes! Whose been here?
Once again, this was a place which was only accessible by driving over private farm-land with permission to go and park up, and then go hunting. So not a place where lots of people went. Mostly just hunters who had permission to do so. And he was one of the hunters with permission. So, he said ok and away he goes to the forest, and he lets the dog off the leash. And he hadn’t gone very, very far – Oh not the forest, the Tea-tree and Manuka scrub. Hadn’t gone very, very far, and the dog was still just around in front of him. And suddenly…. There was a bush on the side – a clump of bush on the side of the track. And he said, a small figure stepped out and looked straight at me…. And then suddenly, it sort of looked at us, and then turned around and ran off down around the track! Of course the dog saw the figure running and took off after it.
And his first thought was oh my God! You know, there’s a child in here! I don’t know where the child has come from? Once again, just looking at the stature and the height. What am I going to do? So he ran off furiously after the dog which was still barking and disappearing into the distance. And, I don’t know how far he ran. Bit he kept on running. The dog had stopped barking and oh my gosh! So he came around a little bend, to a little bit of a clearing, where grass was growing on either side of the track. And there was the dog, laying there – down on the ground. Huffing and frothing at the mouth! And he thought oh my god, what’s gone on here?
He went up to the dog, and the dog was twitching and going into spasms, and just laying on the ground. Oh my gosh! Heavens, something’s wrong with it. It’s either been poisoned or it’s just eaten something? His first thought was, I’m going to have to put my dog down, and I can’t suffer this – there were no injuries on the dog, other than what it was going through. It was frothing at the mouth, and whining, and spasming…. So he thought, oh actually, I’m going to have to kill the dog. But then, suddenly the dog sort of shook itself a bit, and came around, and stood up on it’s feet, all wobbly…. And the guy said oh, and put the leash on it and said well, I can’t go into the forest now, after all this has happened. So he turned around, to go back out the short distance he had travelled…. Through the trees, back to where his car was. Quite bewildered about what had gone on. What had happened to the child, he didn’t – just didn’t even think about. He was more concerned about his dog. Obviously the dog had not found the child, and sort of attacked it, or anything like that. And then he came back out to go through the pampas grass, which he passed through earlier on. Where all the leaves had been plaited together, in beautiful plaits. And he said he noticed that all the plaits were gone. The leaves were just straight again. And so, he got in his car and went home.
So this was an event which happened, which was a mystery to him. He doesn’t know what he saw. He was not willing to enter into any sort of – deep observations. He thought he saw a child – mysterious. He didn’t know about the Patupaiarehe, or the fairy folk of the forest. So that was another side there, where one of these little figures was actually chased by a dog! So it seems that the manifestation of the Patupaiarehe, or the fairy folk, or those that live in the fairy realms, in the physical form are – if they are noticed and seen, have come through…. It’s quite a tangible, physical form – and they just don’t suddenly vanish in front of your eyes. I mean, this little figure ran, and it’s a bit like the early story I told you about the farmer watching the people going across the farmland in front of them.
They didn’t just suddenly dematerialise and disappear. And the same with the figures in the headlights. So, when they are there. They are there – do you see what I mean? And if they are seen – so, and what really prompted me, after listening to all these stories, to go into the forest and see what we could find for ourselves…. Was particularly in the Northern Forest around Waipoua, and this was the notion in my documentary. To see indeed, if there were little fairy folk, lived in the forest. OR was there a lost race of people? Diminutive people, still living in the forests up there? So that’s what we went to look at. Yeah….
That is really cool, and most interesting. Do you believe Gary that these Patupaiarehe are interdimensional beings? That they can….
I would say so, but a great description which is given in the documentary by a dear friend of ours. A very, very wonderful dowser who helped with our research work. He says they are incredible shape-shifters. And this is something which comes out in a lot of stories that you hear – whether from New Zealand, or overseas – ah stories from the faery realms. Suddenly, you’ll be walking past a tree you’ve walked past – you know, often when you’re going for a ramble in the forest. And on this particular day you stop by the tree and look at it. There merging into the bark is a small figure sitting there. So, shapeshifting in the sense they…. I guess, being part of the elemental realms, if you like to look at that? I mean that’s another thing – how do you categorize elementals, as opposed to faeries?
And within the faery realms, of course, we have so many different rankings and ratings…. You know? What they sort of look like, and their names…. I’ve got a little book – oh that I brought back from England a number of years ago. And there’s a list in there of one hundred and twenty-three different names! Of different types of faeries. It becomes…. It becomes quite complex. So, they’re there…. And I think, very much shape-shifters. And I think though, that if a person has a really strong interest, and a desire to see them…. And meditates upon them, that one can definitely connect with them.
I’m quite happy myself, just too have heard them. And, also be associated with people who have seen them. And see, and talk to them about their experiences. It does not matter little to me, whether I see them or not. Whether I film them or not. But, I know they’re there all the time. We’ve got a big forest attached to our land here, that’s part of our land. And, I’ve got what I call the ‘Faery Glade’, where I go and sit down there – and this is where I have my contacts. And the responses from those realms, which are as we were looking – or as you said earlier on. They’re almost like parallel realms of existence, and they are so close to where we are…. I liken it to these realms are…. Separation is no thicker than a butterflies wing.
Oh, that’s nice….
It is so delicate. And it is there. And so, so easy – if one applies themselves, with genuine intent to actually see or share with these figures. I also feel, as I said in the documentary – even at that time, and more so now – that there is a desire, I think, for communication, with some of the beings in the faery real. Because of what humankind – mankind, is doing to the environment. Of the planet. Because, within the biosphere of the planet, those realms share exactly what we share! And they share the same waters, the same land, the same fruits, and things of this nature. So, I have a feeling what humans are doing to the planet is impacting on the other folk! The uh…. Yeah, ah there we are!
Yeah, I absolutely agree with that. That’s absolutely, that’s really fascinating! And so very, very interesting – which brings up a whole…. Can take us off into a whole different tangent – like the elementals. I am very aware of your time Gary, and I could talk to you for hours, because you are so interesting. I was thinking…. Would it be ok with you, if we did a few interviews and you can discuss whatever you want? Like, I would really like to hear about your archaeological work. Your Waitaha work. I’d really, really like to hear about your plant work.
That’s right – the music of the plants. That’s a whole wonderful field. And that of course touches onto the Elemental realms too. The plant – the plant elementals.
Right! If you would agree to do that, I would be so excited to do that!
Why not! Why not, no…. Because, as I said – I’ve got so much more to share. I’m always publishing things on my FB page. And that’s a bit of – sort of a concern in a way. Because, quite a long time ago I maxed out on the amount of FB friends you can have –which is five thousand…. Then you are supposed to set up another page and do this and that. But, I just haven’t got all that tech ability and didn’t do that.
And so, I’ve got five thousand people on the FB page, and I’ve got…. Now, I suddenly discovered last week, I’ve got over three thousand followers as well. So, there’s eight thousand people out there that I’m pumping out information, through my FB continuously. Particularly with faery events as they come to light, and also with music of the plants.
Because I have a program at the moment, where I’m going out on a regular basis, into the land here – into our vege garden, so I’ve just been recording vegetable plants and posting that up so people can hear it. I’ve also got over forty short film clips available on YouTube, so people can just put up Gary Cook, NZ. And go onto YouTube, and just see what I have been recording the last four or five years.
Yes, I saw those clips
Yes. So those are available as well – freely available.
I’ll put a link on this episodes page on my podcast website – www.walkingtheshadowlands.com so people can access the videos via that if they wish too. Along with all your information. So I’ll have links to your website, and links to your FB page, as well as the YouTube page, links to your shop – so people can go and check them out for themselves. Is there anything else you would like to say about the Patupaiarehe or your experiences with them, before we close off this episode?
No, not at this stage – ‘cause, probably I could go on for another couple of hours… But you know, it’s interesting because I think, once awareness…. Once one understands that there are little forest dwellers – and garden dwellers…. Not, not only in the forest. They are in the gardens, they’re in the landscape. They’re everywhere. And these are not necessarily the uh, faeries that…. The Disney faeries with little wings which flit all around the place.
I mean the winged faeries virtually were popularized cause, that’s the Disney faery – which is Tinkerbell. But going back to the turn of the last – the previous century, in the eighteen hundred, when spiritualist groups were looking at the faery realms and things. So, winged faeries came into being in the days of the spiritualist movement. In the late eighteen hundreds and early nineteen hundreds, throughout Europe. Prior to that, going back into medieval literature, and stories, and from indigenous people all around the world…. They do not talk about there being winged faeries. They’re all beings that resemble humans in shape.
But not necessarily in demeanour, or in physical aspects. But you know, they stand like little humans…. And this is where you get such varying descriptions – whether you are looking at Goblins, or you are looking at Elves. Or, you are looking at Dwarfs. Whether you are looking at Leprechauns…. And so…. And it seems too – and I think it’s the same with the Patupaiarehe, that the little people of these lands take on very, very much…. Or emulate in a way, the people that they live with on these various lands around the world. So descriptions will be from aboriginal people in Australia, to North American Indian people…. The figures all look the same, as far as height goes etc. etc. But, they all have the demeanour or the physical features of small tribal people, ok?
Like yeah… so but, they’re there, and as I said earlier on just for people to look at – the Fairy Investigation society. You don’t have to pay to join up, and there, go back into their archives, and look at the last four years. They’ve published three different census figures, and this is now hundreds, and hundreds of people have been writing in. From all around the world. And, they’ve got the listings sectionalised in various parts of the world, so it’s very easy enough to look up New Zealand, and look up Australia, and look up the US of A.
And, also there…. Around the world there are very strong faery movements. Now, very high profile, actually in the UK, and ‘round England. But, quite a number in North America, the US of A, and Canada. And, not so much in New Zealand, that I know of. Just people of interest groups, they will talk about this. I suppose within interest groups – I’d like to say the Theosophical society etc. …. Which have a very broad approach to everything esoteric. Yeah, they look quite seriously on the faery realms, and also on some of their earlier research work – done by some of the early writers, talk quite openly about all this. So, far as I’m concerned. They’re all there! They’re out there. They’re around us all the time. Sometimes we may be aware of them. We have a feeling…. It’s a feeling that I talked about on the documentary actually.
The fact that, at times when I was working in forest areas, and bush areas on my own doing archaeological research work…. You’d get the feeling that you’re being looked at….So strong…. You’re bent over doing your work – looking at your compass, or writing notes down, and oh my god, someone’s actually looking at me! And, you turn around quickly to see who’s there in the forest behind you, but you don’t see anything. But you know that you’re being looked at. So that’s a feeling which a lot of people experience. Sometimes you’ll experience that feeling when you are in a crowd of people. Sitting in an auditorium or something. You know, someone’s looking at me – and you turn around… Sure enough, there’s someone three or four rows back whose been eyeballing you, for some reason. But in the forest situation, out there in the middle of nowhere, with no one else around – you don’t see anybody, but you know someone is there.
That would be quite a disconcerting feeling, I would imagine….
It can be, in a way…. But over the years I’ve been aware of the fact that certain places in New Zealand, which are wahi-tapu-s on them. That’s the Maori Tapu, to don’t look, don’t go, don’t touch, keep out! If you go into areas like that, or around them, you can feel the presence of say – spiritual guardians, or the ancestors. And so, this is something that is still quite strong amongst some Maori people today. Not only their belief in Patupaiarehe, but also their avid belief in the fact that there are spirit guardians still around – their ancestors. Some of the ancestors have not passed through, they still linger, and they are guardians of certain places, for certain reasons. So sometimes one can infringe, accidentally on those areas, and you become aware of something that is a little different to a benevolent observation of the back of your head. Something that sends shivers up and down your back. And for myself, I was give a karakia to say – which is a Maori prayer, to say at such times as this. Which would be to establish who I was, and why I was there etc. So that would take away any sort of fear the ancient guardians had of me as an intruder.
Right…. That actually reminds me of…. I was just speaking with a lady the other day. She was a forestry worker. And she was telling me of experiences that she and some of the workers had at a particular forest block in NZ with an elemental.Who was very angry at their presence, because they had been disrespected, and so, they had so many things going wrong. People having accidents, machines breaking down, people’s breaks failing… And it wasn’t just the forestry workers. Anybody who went into that thirty kilometre area of the forest – bee keepers, people going to fix fences…. All had accidents. Had machines break. Had all sorts of things go wrong with them. Even this lady had a very nasty accident, that almost destroyed her ability to walk. And, I will be doing another episode with her experiences in them at some in the near future.
Yeah. That’s, that’s a fascinating story. There’s a number of stories that I collected like that over the years. And, the only way that can ever be changed – ‘cause, this is a very, very deep thing. And, this may be attributable to guardian spirits of a particular area. Spirits of the ancestors who have passed, but the request placed upon them was too remain there as guardian for as long as it took. To keep people away, and to frighten them away from an area. And that may have been because a particular type of tapu, like a wahi-tapu was put in place.
And people…. You know there’s no sort of makers to say, don’t go, this is a tapu area. Not unless it’s a modern tapu, but for old, ancient tapu – you just don’t know. You could walk in. I remember quite a number of years ago, I was up north exploring some ancient, volcanic valleys – you know, great lava flows, and things. Big cracks in the earth, and I wandered into this particular valley which was big lava walls, you know? Quite steep and I wandered into a burial area, by mistake – ‘cause, suddenly there were hundreds and hundreds of bones, and skulls sticking out of the cliff face. Oh my gosh! This is a place I don’t want to be. And so, I did a karakia and backtracked. But, I did attract something. I took something back on my shoulders, which was seen by a clairvoyant person. Who didn’t know where I had been, but said oh my gosh you’re carrying something which you’ve got to get rid of. So, this can happen as well. That, this is not to be confused with the faery realms, it’s quite different!
Ok. I mean, I know of events…. I mean, this is digressing a little here, and I’ve experienced this myself also…. Walking into a place – not necessarily in a forest area, could be in a farm area, but there was a history. A Maori history. A great battle had taken place there and a lot of people had been killed. So there was an ancient story, and walking into this place, feeling a cold shiver envelope the group of us. We all started to feel cold, in the bright sunlight. And then we found out from a person who lived just down the road, from the site – He said oh, what’s going on there, is an ancient battle being fought there. It’s on a loop. And the Maori there – tribal fighting. They are fighting a battle which was first fought two to three hundred years ago, and they’re still fighting it on a daily basis. So, there’s this at another level in the landscape. But not to be confused with the elemental, or the faery realms.
Right! Right, not to be confused with the faery folk.
Yeah, I’ve spoken to people too, also Marianne, who’ve been accosted by a Maori warrior. Brandishing a spear and challenging them! Just leaning out, when they walked onto an old pa site. So these were…. Can only be seen in a sense, by very, very sensitive people. But that happens, which is a…. would be a bit disconcerting. And, I think if people feel any apprehension, about walking into a place – sort of when they’re wandering around, in the land, or in the forest. Is just too, even just apologise for being there and backtrack. You know what I mean?
Right, exactly! Ok, one last question before I let you go. And that is, have you noticed over your period of time, working in this area…. Have you noticed that people are becoming perhaps more open? And, more accepting of other realities?
I think so. There seems to be – maybe it’s just the circles I move in? Because I don’t move in very broad circles anymore. My movement amongst people, like with yourself is very focused, but like-minded people. I still go out and give talks. Earlier this year I did three workshops at the ‘Voices of the sacred earth’ in Auckland there. I did three consecutive workshops. I had about eighty – ninety people in each workshop. Or…. Not a workshop, it was a talk and a discussion all experiential. And, these were all like-minded people. They understand. As I’m talking to them, they’re nodding their heads. They know what I am talking about. So, there seems to be, more and more people having an understanding. And, even just coming in touch with what I call – ordinary folk, out there…. If the subject comes up, some people have a story of their own to share. And I think cripes! I wouldn’t have thought he, or she had a faery encounter/experience. But, they did! When they were a child, or something like that!
And a lot of people do have, they’ve just perhaps forgotten the fact that when they were three, four, five years old, they did have an experiential encounter in the garden…. [unaudible] Or in the forest, close by where they lived. So, a lot of people have had this contact, which they just shelved away in the recesses of their memory. Then suddenly, you prompt them to pull it out. And, they say oh my god I did have this happen to me years ago! It only ever happened once. And, I sort of say to people if I get responses like that in a group – heaven’s above! You’ve already had a contact, and if you wished, you can renew these contacts quite easily. So, there we are! There’s I think a lot more awareness of contacts with these beings, and other realms. Getting past the superstition of the Maori people because, a lot of the iwi, Maori, still have deep set superstitions about the Patupaiarehe, and how mischievous and dangerous they could be. And others of course, are very open, and they’ll even share their own childhood stories with you.
I know that when I was researching the Patupaiarehe episode, I approached some Maori on, online forums…. And I got some…. Some very interesting responses, to say the least. Some were concerned that I was trying to appropriate their history, their knowledge…. And it was a fair enough response.
Yeah, they become quite possessive.
Yeah, yeah – but I see it as knowledge that belongs to everybody. It doesn’t belong to any specific culture or being. It’s every bodies knowledge. Well not everybody has the knowledge, but it’s every bodies birthright, by virtue of being human.
I think there – I mean when we use the colloquial term Patupaiarehe, or turehu – there’s about five or six different names, these little folk were known of in Maori, by Maori – if you just say faeries, you know? They’re not going to take umbrage [inaudible]…. No, there is that, and I think it’s probably the possessiveness of…. Of stories, which abound. And, some stories are being published. James Cowin, published a lot of stories that he gleaned from old Maori men when he was traveling around New Zealand, back in the turn of the last century. Previous century rather…. For example; nineteen hundred and five, nineteen hundred and six. So, and a lot of those stories were shared by the old men. Today, it seems the stories are guarded by the kuia, by the women. And they were very protective, and would get back in touch with you. And, they’ll voice their fear that something’s been taken from them, or interfered with. And this may be around experiences they they’ve had personally, or, [inaudible] of the old stories.
And there is still, as I said, a fear amongst some of the people, that these are not to be messed with! Not to be spoken about! And yet, I’ve spoken to old Ma…. Well not myself, but one of my fellow researchers, interviewed and old Maori man up North, many, many years ago. And he said “ Oh! Those little people in the forest? We chased them right up into the top of that mountain, (pointing to a distant hill, a big hill in the Northland there). Ah no he says, we chased them all up there, and we ate them all! So there you are!
Well yeah, yeah. Gary, thank you so much for your time today! This has been a really interesting conversation, and I…. I absolutely enjoyed listening to you sharing your experiences and your knowledge and I really look forward to doing this again.
Yeah well, you’ve got a lot of stuff you can edit back alright – so that will keep you going for quite a few hours. Well, you’re going to be busy.
You’ve just made my day today – I’ve thoroughly enjoyed this and I know my listeners are going to get a lot of pleasure out of hearing you as well. And it’s nice to have this recorded on another medium, so your words are there…
Yes, now that’s good. I like that idea. Now days with the digital age that we live in, it’s quite interesting with the forty or so, little selfies I’ve done, I sort of do a two to three-minute thing. Every so often. Just some inspirational words which I want to share with people. And, I was suddenly thinking the other day – wow! I put those on YouTube. They could be there for the next two to three hundred years! It’s just like the written word. The written word is going to live on, even though the book may no longer be on the book shelf – disappeared from the library, it’s going to be in the archives. Archival libraries – you know? So fascinating isn’t it?
It really is. And of course you never know who this is going to touch, and who it’s going to open doors for! And, what difference it will make in their lives. In one way or another.
Well, and also to I, I love to get feedback from people – with experiences they’ve had. ‘Cause, it all adds to the information I’ve got. ‘Cause, I have the feeling there could be another book here. And, we’ve even been talking about a follow-up documentary. Because, now I actually have access through the Tūhoe people , to get even deeper and deeper into the Urewera’s
Children of the mist
So, I’m just playing around with that at the moment!
Actually in the intro I wrote about you, I mentioned that I did not feel you had yet finished producing books or documentaries. Not by a long shot.
In one way or another… So this is awesome Gary, and thank you so much for your time today.
Thank you Marianne. You’re a lovely host, and you do it so well, and it just makes it so relaxed which is wonderful.
Aw thank you so much Gary – you have a lovely day!
You too love. Bye for now.